tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4640356191314871951.post3336893450199562872..comments2023-08-12T10:42:29.208+02:00Comments on The Doric Temple: Delphi is DyingBabnikhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04040986319920784464noreply@blogger.comBlogger48125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4640356191314871951.post-11891360095262070752010-01-20T14:43:45.136+01:002010-01-20T14:43:45.136+01:00@ Larry Hengen . You are right to an extent .
Any...@ Larry Hengen . You are right to an extent . <br />Anyone's who like to do that would be great .<br /><br />Infact i moved from C#/.NET to Delphi 7 and have been working on it since last 8-9 Months and very comfortable too.<br /><br />And i always make it a point to blog ( WWW.GINKTAGE.COM ) about something that work with .Senthil Kumarhttp://www.ginktage.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4640356191314871951.post-23524614265046932242010-01-19T12:13:34.165+01:002010-01-19T12:13:34.165+01:00@Peter,
I could not agree more that Embarcadero n...@Peter,<br /><br />I could not agree more that Embarcadero needs a more entry level SKU, preferably without stripping out so many features that nobody wants to use it.<br /><br />Point your son here. Sign up for a free membership and select Delphi under the Programming topics. There are some detailed tutorial videos using Turbo Delphi, including one that walks you through writing a game.<br /><br />http://www.3dbuzz.comBruce McGeehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09952420043727301654noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4640356191314871951.post-81935147543402575742010-01-19T11:11:17.157+01:002010-01-19T11:11:17.157+01:00You could say C++ is dying. he-he. With all those ...You could say C++ is dying. he-he. With all those new technologies like WPF that works only with .net code.<br /><br />But is Microsoft using .net for their products? No. They use C++.<br /><br />Why? Because it's MUCH faster than any of those new technologies.<br /><br />This can be easily applied to Delphi applications \ tools.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4640356191314871951.post-25867112278883233742010-01-18T16:33:25.131+01:002010-01-18T16:33:25.131+01:00I am a longtime Delphi developer. I personally bo...I am a longtime Delphi developer. I personally bought the first few editions but now I just the versions my employer provides.<br /><br />When my son showed an interest in learning programming, I installed Turbo Delphi that I downloaded about 3 years ago. He likes it. He's 13. He wants to make games (of course). He wants to major in computer science in college. He's probably a future Delphi fan. Why? Because of the free edition he was exposed to early on.<br /><br />I am not a marketer/salesman and I confess most marketing looks like nonsense to me. But I'm willing to chalk that up to my ignorance. I am, however, a programmer and a father and I think I have witnessed the creation of an apparently rare phenomenon: the <i>young</i> Delphi programmer.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01212772170615511992noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4640356191314871951.post-4535263650753896062010-01-18T06:54:52.745+01:002010-01-18T06:54:52.745+01:00www.isdelphidying.comwww.isdelphidying.comAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4640356191314871951.post-21086974341289721652010-01-18T04:36:20.003+01:002010-01-18T04:36:20.003+01:00Same here.. I could not convince my boss that the ...Same here.. I could not convince my boss that the cost of new licenses would actually pay off with the amount of Delphi work we do today. <br />Basically that means that our upgrade cycle has currently stopped indefinitely, which means we'll probably do even less Delphi work in the future. <br /><br />I would certainly buy Delphi for personal use if it were reasonably priced, just to support my favorite IDE. The cost is so ridiculous that I decided to just use an illegal version at home.<br /><br />Conclusion: Delphi is dying at my office, and in a way at home too. For my career it's probably best if I start specializing in C# (instead of Delphi) as soon as possible.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4640356191314871951.post-50324781185650516232010-01-17T18:23:18.628+01:002010-01-17T18:23:18.628+01:00Delhi is very high priced. So high that my company...Delhi is very high priced. So high that my company cannot afford it and we are forced to other technologies. We can afford to pay 499 EURO for Delphi Professional, but we cannot pay 1400 EURO.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4640356191314871951.post-59321884506827274102010-01-17T09:05:01.779+01:002010-01-17T09:05:01.779+01:00I've been on C#/C++ for quite a while now. I ...I've been on C#/C++ for quite a while now. I still prefer the readability of Delphi/Delphi Prism over anything else. My company has a huge C<br />++/C# codebase, and reading and navigating through other people's code is a big pain in the rear.<br />I'm using Ubuntu (x64/ARM9), Windows and Mac whch means I'm really interested the Delphi crossplatform story.<br /><br />As for pricing, I think that they need a reality check.<br />Jetbrains gets this right their individual developer license, where they sell IntelliJ for 209 Euros. I wish Embarcadero would consider something like that.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4640356191314871951.post-50074836528860333402010-01-16T13:20:09.359+01:002010-01-16T13:20:09.359+01:00I'm one of those who changed from Delphi to C#...I'm one of those who changed from Delphi to C#. Now I'm happy. No more 12 3rd parties components (zip, crypt, GUI, localisation, ...), but solid and stable .NET framework.<br />The productivy raises up to 3 times. The Delphi was my favorie platform for 9 years, but it is away now.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4640356191314871951.post-79886525010227822732010-01-16T11:27:48.247+01:002010-01-16T11:27:48.247+01:00I am so sad that the product is so wrongly priced ...I am so sad that the product is so wrongly priced that its hard to justify the purchase in a world where VS Express editions are available. Especially when you are the only surviving Delphi developer in th house. Delphi 2010 pro should be USD299.Wilfred Oluochhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17399352850451418851noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4640356191314871951.post-12135023272569314232010-01-16T06:00:04.995+01:002010-01-16T06:00:04.995+01:00"Delphi is Dying"
As indeed are we all...."Delphi is Dying"<br /><br />As indeed are we all. It's just that some of us are dying more quickly than others.<br /><br />Seems to me that Delphi has been dying for around 15 years now. Funny how it isn't actually dead yet though.<br /><br />Beginning to see some "Windows is dying" posts pop up occasionally. Now there's sum fun :-).Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14359161026380343476noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4640356191314871951.post-28157654402825542902010-01-16T02:10:10.074+01:002010-01-16T02:10:10.074+01:00Well, I'm a Delphi developer and customer sinc...Well, I'm a Delphi developer and customer since version 1. <br />Talking about prices, nobody in Borland/CodeGear/Embarcadero could ever explain to me why I always paid - much - more (in US$) for the same Delphi version (I'm brazilian). Nowadays I have to pay almost TWICE for the same Delphi 2010 Enterprise. I should be studying some new D2010 features, but can you explain to me if I should pay more than US$ 3,000 to install an "educational" version of Delphi 2010 here in my laptop just to learn generics??? Instead, I've instaled a copy of VS2008 Express and I'm learning C# more and more each day. My next project will be a C# one.<br />Embarcadero guys live in Dreamland. The days that they could charge US$ 3,000 for an IDE in a third world country are OVER!<br /><br />Someone said something about TeamB: Two or three guys do a great job, outside non-tech. But the old non-tech TeamB sapammers should be kicked out there. You know the guys. A complete disservice to the community.<br />Some TeamB member writes more in a month than Shakespeare wrote in his whole life!!! If this guy could write ONE line of usefull Delphi code for each hour of his life that he spends writing useless "absolute truths" in non-tech he could have a new OS better than Windows 7, completely written in Delphi! :)<br /><br />I will continue to use Delphi - the versions that I own today - to build native applications. But I don't think Embarcadero will see my money again as long as this "3K bucks for an IDE" price policy continues.<br /><br />Best regardsAlexandre Caldas Machadohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01461341015084340422noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4640356191314871951.post-20835772956285177232010-01-16T00:17:21.988+01:002010-01-16T00:17:21.988+01:00I think that you are not right, Delphi is (finally...I think that you are not right, Delphi is (finally) in right hands and IMHO is in rise (after black years). But publishing articles of this type is the worst what can do.<br /><br />Yes, there are problems and at first there is a price (I hope that Embarcadero preparing cheap version - there are signs of this).<br /><br />Unicode - this was needed, and because I am not english man I know how important this can be.Radek Červinkahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12300561561354117573noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4640356191314871951.post-48705822861928083242010-01-15T23:32:51.136+01:002010-01-15T23:32:51.136+01:00I don't think it's dead and do believe the...I don't think it's dead and do believe they are moving in the right direction. The community seems to be healthier than it has been in a while, but I do believe the world of business apps in particular has changed a lot and those changes aren't particularly beneficial to Delphi. The default bias of an increasing number of business application customers is towards web apps plain and simple. I/T departments in particular love web apps and cringe at the thought of anything being installed on the clients. If this trend continues in business application development then Delphi will continue to have strong headwinds for acceptance. I've seen a few applications in the last couple years that were in Delphi that had been migrated to Citrix delivery and the modules were being redone in an ASP.NET front end one at a time. I see that as a bigger threat to native Delphi apps than anything else.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4640356191314871951.post-20998650520097645152010-01-15T22:26:40.128+01:002010-01-15T22:26:40.128+01:00The biggest weakness of Delphi 2010 is lack of tra...The biggest weakness of Delphi 2010 is lack of training materials for new or potential customers.<br /><br />Visit any bookstore and see how many books they have about Delphi 2010. Heck, visit amazon.com and see how many they have.<br /><br />Books about Delphi coming out are rare. And they focus on experienced Delphi programmers.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4640356191314871951.post-22852042311152477542010-01-15T21:33:41.765+01:002010-01-15T21:33:41.765+01:00The problem I have woth these "Delphi is dyin...The problem I have woth these "Delphi is dying" discussions is that nobody defines what they mean by "dying". In the strictest sense everything is dying, in the sense that every minute that passes brings evrything closer to the date of their disappearance. <br /><br />If you define "dead" as no decent-paying full time permanent jobs being available when you need to look for a job, then Delphi has been dead for many years. Here in the United States, anyone that wants continual employment in Delphi will have to be willing to relocate to just about anywhere. There are a few piecemeal contracts available (I have a few for nights and weekends to supplement my FT contract doing C++), but FTE positions doing Delphi are rare indeed.<br /><br />On the other hand, Delphi has always been the secret weapon of the independent software author. In that capacity it is far from dead. It's future in that regard looks pretty good too, as crossplatform materializes. If you want to write a best-selling killer app, Delphi is still the best choice, by far. As long as Delphi exists at all, it is going to be alive and well in this sense. I personally so no reason why Delphi would not thrive in this area for many years to come.<br /><br />Corporate America is entirely fad-driven, has always been so, and will always be so. Whether it is "the cloud" or some other mindless pap, the latest fad will always be fickle and an unreliable mistress to those who would imagine themselves to be faithful. I've watched the "dead" Delphi outlive such "sure things" as Visual Cafe, J++, native VB, and so on. Heck, I remember when Symantec used to have a C++ tool.<br /><br />The truth of the matter is that any discussion of "X is dying" is ultimately an attempt to predict the future. That can not be done. By anybody.Captain Jakenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4640356191314871951.post-40637361858139656072010-01-15T20:32:06.661+01:002010-01-15T20:32:06.661+01:00In German there is a nice term i like in regard to...In German there is a nice term i like in regard to all that "Delphi is dying stuff":<br /><br />Totgesagte leben länger!<br /><br />In English comparable to:<br />There's life in the old dog yet.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4640356191314871951.post-1733113023187719462010-01-15T19:00:32.559+01:002010-01-15T19:00:32.559+01:00Well, I recall the shock when Microsoft said, to m...Well, I recall the shock when Microsoft said, to migrate from VB6 to VB.NET - you have to rewrite.<br /><br />In my company, a certain degree of disillusionment has set in over the whole .NET thing. Big, slow, and the GUI side still not as granular as VCL. And 3rd party libs are overcomplicated.<br /><br />I agree the desktop application market is not what is was, though.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4640356191314871951.post-16484045343548011152010-01-15T18:54:47.610+01:002010-01-15T18:54:47.610+01:00Agreed. The ghost town comment could not be more ...Agreed. The ghost town comment could not be more accurate especially here in the statesUnknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15404442292292805985noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4640356191314871951.post-11559776733764583282010-01-15T18:45:51.642+01:002010-01-15T18:45:51.642+01:00I have been in Delphi since Delphi 4, and in those...I have been in Delphi since Delphi 4, and in those years "yahoed" tons of examples, TeamB works very well learned from the web. Now it's dificult to find support, TeamB doesn't exists anymore and .Net is in the mouth of everybody. It's time to change of live in an ghost town. I'm very sorry.Miguel Guzmánhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16469601741866718332noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4640356191314871951.post-55974127651280173402010-01-15T18:16:01.139+01:002010-01-15T18:16:01.139+01:00If it makes you feel any better, there is anecdota...If it makes you feel any better, there is anecdotal and other unofficial signs that Delphi adoption is actually on the rise. Note some of the entry level questions in the technical forums and communities like Stack Overflow.<br /><br />Now, if we could only get Embarcadero to say so out loud.Bruce McGeehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09952420043727301654noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4640356191314871951.post-54761240426107006632010-01-15T17:53:31.946+01:002010-01-15T17:53:31.946+01:00I was thinking the same thing the other day, but i...I was thinking the same thing the other day, but i also realized something else. Most of those who used to post tons of code are now grown up. Their code is invested in serious projects, money making projects, rather than freeware components.<br /><br />I have tons of code, and i know many delphi coders that also has tons of code. Both unicode and modern -- but we dont share that easily any more because, well, money in the box.<br /><br />So I would say you are right, but i dont think it's as gloomy as you might think. There are thousands of delphi coders still active, and delphi is still used to make commercial projects -- but somehow things have changed. We have changed.<br /><br />I just set up a new blog @ http://delphimax.wordpress.com/Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4640356191314871951.post-26092003800026595272010-01-15T17:35:53.201+01:002010-01-15T17:35:53.201+01:00I think you're doing the product and community...I think you're doing the product and community you love a disservice by posting that Delphi is Dying. If you hate those posts so much why do one yourself?<br /><br />I believe Delphi is on the rebound. I think after 10 years of .Net people are beginning to see that native code is not dead, and Delphi is still one of the best native code tools out there despite the fact it stagnated for so long. It's not out of the woods yet though. Embarcadero has to b careful to keep their existing customers, and bring in new ones. They really need a 64 bit compiler with Windows 7 shipping, and Mac OS/X * Linux support could be a great step forward if it's done well. Pricing as always is critical.<br /><br />If you love the tool, and want to see it flourish, then I would suggest you:<br /><br />1) act as an ambassador by talking to people about it's merits<br /><br />2) blog about it more often (other than It's Dying) so there will be more Google hits.<br /><br />3) update those abandoned components if they still have some value.<br /><br />4) participate in the community to make it more vibrant. Join an Open Source project, get into discussions on Stack Overflow, and the newsgroups.<br /><br />There are lots of ways YOU can keep Delphi alive. Giving up on it and following the crowd with .Net is not one of them.Larry Hengenhttp://www.tpersistent.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4640356191314871951.post-53730368789833699292010-01-15T16:36:54.676+01:002010-01-15T16:36:54.676+01:00I don't want to agree with you but tend toward...I don't want to agree with you but tend towards your opinion. I see 3 things that lead me in your direction:<br />1. The turbulence of ownership/direction of Delphi over the years have scared off corporations who are mostly risk averse.<br />2. Embarcadero so overly prices the product that only corporations can afford it, which means the marketing strategy points to nowhere<br />3. Delphi is considered 'old school' by the major software evangelists (yes, most are employed by the big boys or are there because of their own creations) so people see no leading edge things using Delphi. The most adventurous coder I personally know works in Delphi 7 which is not a competitive IDE in todays markey.<br /><br />Delphi needs to recogize that it is currently a niche market tool. It needs to treat the customers like kings and lower their price so they start becoming a surge product again.<br /><br />I know they point to the price of other programming suites for price comparisons, but no one pays those prices. My subscription to the thing that replaced MSDN cost me 265 USD this year and it gives me access to download their products without timeout.<br /><br />If All-Access cost 400 bucks, we might be talking but as it is, the people they need to make a ground-swell cannot afford it.<br /><br />I think 2010 is a great product. The Architect version should cost what the Pro version is listed at and then calculate the prices of Enterprize and Pro proportionally.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15516225825256777336noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4640356191314871951.post-21323996812510336222010-01-15T16:08:15.774+01:002010-01-15T16:08:15.774+01:00www.isdelphidying.comwww.isdelphidying.comColinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01962000164959532235noreply@blogger.com